We have Claire Attkisson from Colorado Jaynes Construction Company with us today. And we're really fortunate to have you here because big scale construction, school, colleges, hospitals have a huge impact in terms of sustainability energy and so on. So thanks so very for being here. >> Great to be here, thank you. >> Claire, why not introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your position in Jaynes corporation. >> Sure. So my name is Claire Attkisson and I'm the director of business development and marketing for Colorado Jaynes. Jaynes has been around 70 years. We celebrated last year in 2016. Had a really nice event where we were able to showcase a bit more about who we are and what we stand for. My intent in signing on with Jaynes, I've been with the company now almost two years, is to help the company look at how they can expand their market in Colorado in particular, as well as look at internally how they can transform operations and systems towards sustainability. >> Claire can you tell us a little bit about Jaynes corporation and work that you do. >> Yeah, we're a commercial construction company and right now we're in Santa Fe building a new hospital there and that's a $130 million project. We just finished building the geo-science physics and engineering building here at college. It is a lead gold project. Its inspiration really comes from it being the geoscience physics and engineering center of the campus. So there's quite a lot of importance put on the project itself being an example of bringing sustainability and looking at kind of the science behind sustainability. >> What are some of the sustainability and issues that you are trying to move forward at Jaynes? And it's a tough industry so there's going to be some challenges there. >> Well Jane's has done almost I think at this point where at 67 lead certified projects in our, you know, seventy years. We have looked I think in the last year with my joining the team not only at what the client drives in terms of looking at green building but also what we can do as a company internally. So my efforts have been focused on looking at construction wastes and how we can measure that. I come from the school of thought that what gets measured, get done. So really my effort in the last year has been to work with the leadership team on understanding really what tools are out there to measure. We work with both Waste Management, as well as Phoenix Recycling. And Phoenix is more of a local company, whereas Waste Management is very big, nationwide. And both have different ways that they work on sustainable in particular to waste and Waste Management currently has what they call the dirt program and it's a way to essentially use your holes, the number of holes taken from the construction site And they analyze the materials and then they create for you a spreadsheet on exact numbers related to what's been hauled to the landfill versus what's been recycled. And so that's something that's been helpful for me internally as a kind of entrepreneur, [LAUGH] is to help our teams understand what kind of waste we actually produce on each job. My hope and goal and vision is that we can do that on every single project, every single job that we have, construction waste is a large problem. And it's a very complex solution. What we struggle with here in Colorado is different from New Mexico. Our company's based out of New Mexico, it's our headquarters. However there's many more recycling facilities and opportunities for us in New Mexico that there are in a small rural Community, such as Durango. Whereas, Phoenix Recycling really has stepped in to meet that need. Many of the companies outside of Phoenix Recycling are not in a position to be able to, actually, recycle. They tend to take most of it to the landfill. Whereas if they're required not to do so by a lead certification requirement on the job then they're able to add that into their scope of work and that's the price for the project. Whereas Phoenix Recycling regardless of whether it's a lead project or not. Their commitment is to recycling as much of the waste as possible. >> So construction- >> Does that make sense? [LAUGH] >> Yeah, yeah. So construction waste, is it a matter of convenience? Or is it a matter that you get quantities of stuff that doesn't actually fit what you need, that can't be preordered to specific sizes? >> That's a good question. I mean, I think I'm learning a lot as I go. I know that one of the aspects of green building that I can share more about is not just what we think of in terms of the traditional products that go into the building or the waste from over measurements etc. But it's also understanding that technology can be a tool to help us with that. And there's something called building information technologies and they are building information modeling technology. BIM, for short, and those technologies help us better understand upfront before even construction begins, so in the design phase, it helps us to better see exactly the quantities of products that we need, so that cuts down on waste. It helps us to understand where there may be clashes in mechanical, electrical, pluming etc. Before again we get in the construction. So the more in the design phase of a project that we can understand material types, quantities, locations that cuts down dramatically on waste. So it is both kind of pre-design, design, and then post, is really that waste stream that we're trying to tackle. >> Is there any repurposing of what is waste to you? Can it be repurposed into residential, low income, anything like that? Or is the quantity- >> Anything is possible. >> [LAUGH] >> [LAUGH] >> Okay. >> In my world view. >> [LAUGH] >> [LAUGH] Is that happening? I am not familiar. Of course, there's companies like the Habitat for Humanity who are taking home waste and they're bringing it into their storefront and selling it, anything from cabinets and sinks, etc. There's all kinds of those types of facilities in larger cities. We don't have that here. Again, I think that comes back to kind of understanding supply and demand in a small rural community, whereas Phoenix, Albuquerque, there's more opportunities for that, Denver. I know San Francisco Bay area where I grew up there is quite a few facilities like that are repurposing waste. >> So a matter of time. >> Yes, a matter of time. >> [LAUGH] >> Well, I don't mean it really gets in to looking at all kinds of entrepreneurial opportunities. >> Yes. >> Right so I mean that that's something that I would love to see and I know Phoenix recycling they just did a presentation on okay, we have a lot of waste coming out of these construction sites that we've been able to put in into clean piles for reuse, so wood, steel, etc. And they basically put out the call to any entrepreneur that wants to come start a business using those waste inputs as their actual. >> Buildings last 40 or 50 years. That means that their impact is just huge, can you talk a little bit about that? >> Sure. Well my hope is that, we're building buildings lasting 100 years [LAUGH]. So again, yeah, like you say, the design face is key. More and more of the building industry is going to an integrated design approach, where they're bringing to the table the architect, the owner, the builder. The general contractor, such as Jaynes. Landscape architect. Kind of all the key players that go into a project. And on some of them, even some of the key subcontractors. So that you can, again, it's the same concept of the waste stream is looking up front in the design phase at how do we ensure durability in this facility. How do we ensure that the products themselves that are materials that we're going to be using are of the highest quality and are going to meet the budget? So there's always a tension there. [LAUGH] But yeah, design is key to long term viability of any project. >> So does somebody in that committee or that group actually say, well, to run this building every year in terms of its energy consumption. It's going to be this many dollars, you know, $25,000 a year doing it this way as opposed to we have alternatives. >> Yes, and that's called energy modeling. And so that's something that we're looking at as a company bringing on board It's not a, I would say, common practice unless the owner asks for it. It is becoming more and more a topic, I would say, of discussion from the owner. And so that's an opportunity for us as a company to help them understand that. Because it does make a very significant difference in terms of creating and building and designing such a building that will have greater return for you as a business. Meaning, you build an energy systems that are going to save you money overtime. The issue that we struggle with is that many of those renewable systems are energy efficient systems are more costly up front. But they do show return and a savings over time. So what we struggle with is how to create the budget in such a way That an owner is willing to understand. That whole, what we call lifecycle cost analysis of a project. Right now we have a few entities and quotas. We're looking at packs, as well as with the Montezuma County Court System, and the Montezuma County Court Building is a lead certified project. They don't have funding for solar. So of course, I've been on the Internet and calling as many people as I can [LAUGH] that I know. Trying to figure out how we can help them to afford it, looking at all kinds of different funding opportunities. And one such funding opportunity that's kind of flagging here and we're hoping to get off the ground it's called pace. And it's pace financing. It's essentially a system that enables an owner to have a tax lean. However it is transferred to each owner subsequently. That enables them to pay back their solar array or any kind of energy efficiency program that they want to establish in their building if it's already built. But they could pay back their solar array in 20 years and the savings from having the solar array would be greater and they would make sure of this penciling it out than the actual payments on the loan. So that's something that's pretty exciting and we just have to get a few more steps [LAUGH] along the way to get that pace programming in place. And then perhaps those projects will be able to say yeah, I can afford renewable energy system that's going to save our building and our bottom line every year. >> That sounds like the old energy savings contracting that was done where the operating costs were kept at a certain level and then the savings were dedicated to- >> Yeah. >> And the engineering firm that put in the system took the risk if they. >> Right, exactly. >> Yeah, so that's clever. You don't think of financiers as being in the sustainability game. But they do have to play a role. >> They do and more and more are. [LAUGH] Yeah, which is important. I mean, I come from the perspective that, you know, I think green business, green building somewhat has been marginalized as something that's nice to do. Whereas it really something that is essential to cost savings and reduction and ways. So it's not something that we just I think are in a position to consider as an add on, but it's integrated into everything that we do. >> Well, thanks so much. >> Yeah.
