Hi, I'm here with Liz again. And we're going to talk about life as a continuing experiment. And, Liz I remember about 15 years ago I did an experiment on you. You want to talk about that? >> Oh, my goodness. The challenge was to come up with a crazy product. Mine was a toilet for cats. And you made me take this prototype down to the bus stop and try and sell it. To just people I didn' t know. It was crazy, humbling, and totally fun. >> But it didn't turn you off did it? >> No. >> What did it teach you? >> It taught me that circumstances and challenges can be mind blowing and, and totally memorable. We're still talking about it. 15 years ago. So. >> That's right. >> It's amazing. >> Okay, another thing in, in life as a continuing experiment is how do you get the right people on the bus. That's always an issue in terms of developing a team. what, what's your take on it? >> So when you mean getting people on the bus, you mean getting the, the right team together? >> Yes >> I'm always looking for people that have skills and knowledge that compliment what I have. Which there's a lot of people that, that sit in that boat, so you'll have a dynamic team then, can address all of the issues that can come up that you may not even predict are coming down the pipe. >> And what I look for is people that are, are willing to take risks. Are willing to get there mind warped. Most importantly, they want to develop a wild mind. So, I look at there, I have to find those people. They're not necessarily just around. >> Mm-hm. >> In they may be hiding out because they're kind of afraid of, of looking like a fool. So, I, I look, maybe they're here, or maybe they're at New Leaf. Maybe I should go to New Leaf to try and find them. >> Very cool, very cool. So, when you talk about different kinds of challenges and risks, you've talked about three different ones. What, what are they for you? >> Well, the challenges and, and risk I divide into three categories. I call it my risk ecosystem. First of all, I have my, I'll call it my day job. And there may not be a lot expected of me in terms of innovating there, al, although I think every job you need to think about how to improve it and so forth. But, that's kind of my cash cow. And so that, that's one third. The second third is how can I extend by what I do well into new areas, new arenas, new ways of thinking about what I do. That's my second third. My third third is where I want to take big risks in areas that I may not know anything about but it's the connection between areas that I'm ignorant and areas that proficient, that is the innovation zone. >> Mm-hm. >> And, and that's where I want to live part of my life. >> So if you can [INAUDIBLE] yourself out of your everyday risks to extend your brain and, and the way you look at the world. >> Yes and that's what, that's what I mean by life is a continuing experiment, you're always experimenting, experiencing pushing behind your boundaries, and learning to love it. >> Great. Sounds like a, a wonderful plan, and I hope our students buy into it too. >> That's the purpose of the course, so you get busy.