So for me I went to college before there was an Americans with Disabilities Act. And that had a lot of impact on my education. I think first, I had to actually convince my professors that in order to be successful as an engineer that I needed to be able to find adaptations to do the tasks that other students were doing, so learning how to weld or use a lathe, or to populate circuit boards and program them. And so, fortunately, instead of modifying the curriculum, I was able to convince that there was an engineering challenge. But I faced other challenges like, a lot of the labs where I was an undergraduate were in former aircraft hangers with these expanded metal grate stairs, no elevators. So I'd have students carry me up to the classrooms. Unfortunately most engineering students, at least in the 1980s were not very muscular and couldn't carry me very well so I actually work with the army ROTC, and the university fire department to carry me to classes. As I got, eventually moved on, there were some elevators installed but even so they weren't terribly reliable and I kept the number for the fire department to come and help me out. Desks were, they had those standard desks, like school desks, where a desk table was attached to the chair. So I had to flip them around and write on them, kind of balance it while I was writing. There weren't curb cuts, I had to hop curbs to get into classes that ended up in down sidewalks across campus. And then people just weren't people were fairly accepting but they just weren't used to seeing students on campus and our office to service disabilities really didn't have any accommodations that they could make. It was more or less a place, or you could go and register early for classes. And for students with disabilities, perhaps, congregate and share experiences, but we didn't have the sort of the rights to accommodations that we have now. And there weren't scholarships available like they are now. Students with disabilities often just were not considered us underrepresented students on campus, and so we didn't really fit anywhere. I was fortunate that the VA paid for my education. But it was a real struggle for some of the other students, and the Office of Vocational Rehabilitation would cover some of the expenses for some of the students. But, so you're trying to educate people and change attitudes. One of the other interesting things is, I had disabled veterans license plates on my car, and the police, the campus police, were not used to those. They were just used to the window placards, cuz the license plate was kind of a new phenomenon. And having to explain to them when I got tickets, that I was legitimately allowed to park in those spaces. So it was constantly an education about attitudes about the law and finding accommodations.