So clearly not all relationships can really be worked out and continue in the same way. Maybe sometimes there's a breakup or a divorce or even tragically a partner passes away. So, I guess, would that be an example of termination? >> Yeah, I know that like in theory we can talk about like, termination as very different than transformation. Transformation meaning that the two partners who are still staying in a relationship of some sort. Like they may be transformed, right, from like being lovers to being friends or from being colleagues to being lovers. Those are transformations. Termination means that we are stopping or terminating a certain relationship. But I tend to think of termination as one outcome of transformation or maybe even one kind of transformation. Because you know, it is not that we have never heard about people who have sort of like broken up or decided to terminate a certain relationship. It could be like a lovers' relationship or marriage, or like a business partnership. And then later on in life, they want to be you know together or they start something different. So then you can look at it as a transformation as well. And then for some people, the relationship can actually go on even when the other partner is no longer there physically, you know. We have heard about people who are sort of maintaining a relationship with a deceased partner or family member or loved one, not necessarily in a morbid, pathological way, but they can also be in a healthy, growth-enhancing way. So somehow this deceased person still has some presence in the person's current life. So I tend to sort of like use transformation as a framework more. But of course I recognize that for some relationships, it would be just like okay, we break up, or I don't see you anymore, and then you are no longer any part of my life and I just move on. And then until like my life expires, this person is no longer present. That is also imaginable and it happens, right, so I think it is meaningful to talk about termination in that sense. But I see a lot of parallels and overlaps in the dynamics or in the process of the two kinds of changes.